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04302006 - News Article - The face of Lake County politics - Candidates scamper for Bob Cantrell's support, even as they denounce his old-style politics - ROBERT CANTRELL



The face of Lake County politics
Candidates scamper for Bob Cantrell's support, even as they denounce his old-style politics
NWI Times
Apr 30, 2006
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In the shadow world of Lake County politics, people do funny things around Bob Cantrell.

Some fresh young Democrats say they want a new era of cleaner, leaner government, but behind closed doors they welcome Cantrell's support and whatever connections and tactics may come with it.

Meanwhile, otherwise-rational Republican lash out in attacks at each other over alleged secret alliances with Cantrell, who has haunted the GOP like a ghost since officially leaving the party three years ago.

That's the paradox of Bob Cantrell: So many officials fight the label of "Cantrell's candidate," even though he's routinely called one of the most influential unelected men in Lake County politics.

And Cantrell said that as long as voters continue to turn out to the polls in low numbers, as he predicts they will Tuesday, they give up their right to take part in their governments.

"If they voted, and came out, they could pick who they wanted. But they don't do that," Cantrell said. "You'll see it Tuesday more than anything else. People by nature don't care. The apathy runs high. They don't give a darn about who's in there."

His critics contend that the fewer people who cast votes, the more power and influence accrues to backroom figures like Cantrell, which is bad for good government.

"He treats it as a sport, and the full object seems to be to win. Public service is an afterthought, and ethical behavior is not a consideration," said George Van Til, a Democrat and the county surveyor.

"Is he brilliant and effective? Yes. But part of his effectiveness comes from ... his view that the end justifies the means."

Cantrell said such sentiments sound like sour grapes from candidates who he has opposed during his 40 years in politics.

His ability to befriend county party chairmen and pick promising candidates and, as he said it, "maneuver to win," has made him influential in scores of political races. But he has never served in elected office.

"Bobby is a very interesting person," said Peter Thayer, another Republican operative and a decades-long enemy of Cantrell. "He is a political operative of the first order. He is a master."

Plagued by his success
Cantrell said he's a victim of his own success. Resentment from his conquered competitors follows him like it follows the New York Yankees.

"They resent that I can take a Philpot, I can take a Petalas, I can take a Ralphie Flores, a Mrvan, and maneuver to win," Cantrell said. "The most unique win was McDermott," he said.

For those keeping scorecards, those candidates, in order, are: County Clerk Tom Philpot, County Treasurer John Petalas, North Township Advisory Board member Ralph Flores Jr., North Township Trustee Frank Mrvan and Hammond Mayor Thomas McDermott Jr., all of whom Cantrell said he supported, and all of whom won their office.

Whether they mind being associated with Cantrell varies. Philpot did not return a half-dozen calls for comment; Petalas and Flores both said Cantrell had small involvement in their races as one of many supporters; and Mrvan, who is Cantrell's boss at the township, said Cantrell's support was just one of many factors that won him his seat.

McDermott, who is also deputy chairman of the state Democratic Party in northern Indiana, said he's comfortable with his relationship to Cantrell, who does not oppose him or actively work on his behalf.

"Nobody likes to be associated with him right now because there's a lot of speculation, and maybe he's under investigation," McDermott said. "Among elected officials, people want Bobby on their side. But it's a double-edged sword ... because the media views Bobby in a negative light."

Regardless, Cantrell is entering his fifth decade of politics now without any sign of slowing.

While he acknowledges that the Democrats have had rocky years with their frequent interactions with prosecutors, he maintains that the purging process is complete. And the new guard doesn't play the old games, he said.

"The Democrats here have cleansed their problems," Cantrell said. "They got all young guys, sharp guys, tough guys, good guys. ... They don't have these problems anymore. It's all gone now."

Fortunes rising or waning?
For nearly all his adult life, Cantrell was cast as a double-agent for the Democratic Party working to weaken local Republican organizations from the inside, according to press accounts from decades ago to the recent past.

Now that he's officially registered as a declared Democrat, leaders of that party deny working with him.

It makes for an odd public reception of someone who is perceived as a ringleader or even kingmaker in the Lake County political universe after decades in power.

Cantrell said he was among "a team of us" who put together the "package" of many uncontested races that voters will see Tuesday.

The comment came during a wide-ranging interview with The Times, a transcript of which is posted on The Times' Web site, www.nwitimes.com.

Observers said Tuesday's primary will be an interesting test of Cantrell's new role as an independent operator.

In every election since then 1960s, Cantrell has had alliances through political heavyweights like former Democratic Chairman and Sheriff Stephen "Bob" Stiglich and longtime East Chicago Mayor Robert Pastrick.

Stiglich died last summer; Pastrick is no longer visible in local politics; and scores of other party figures are indicted, jailed or living abroad to avoid prison time.

Whether Cantrell has become more or less powerful these days is a matter of debate; the 20 people interviewed by The Times for this article differed. Some said Cantrell is now unfettered and is more influential, while others said he has far fewer allies to rely on and has become weaker.

Whichever is true, Cantrell-watchers agreed with near unanimity that whether you love Cantrell or hate him, you can't afford not to know what he's up to. And it's a sentiment apparently shared by government prosecutors, who even Cantrell admits have been investigating him with considerable vigor.

Federal investigators don't say what they're looking for. But late last month, the North Township trustee's office -- Cantrell's employer -- cooperated with a request to turn over various internal records to federal investigators, Trustee Frank Mrvan confirmed.

Cantrell has been advised by his attorney not to comment on any investigation into his activities, except to say that he has not received any target letters.

Cantrell has also been an inside player in political organizations that have been accused of vote fraud over the years, but he said the constant investigations have shattered the machines and made stealing votes too risky for any unscrupulous individuals who might try it.

"There's no conspiracy. In the old days, when you had the machines, it was organized and it was tough. But now, there's no machines left," he said. "You don't do it. But you don't sell newspapers if there's no fraud."

D or R? Does it matter?
Cantrell now admits that his nearly lifelong Republican affiliation on the voter rolls was an accident of fate.

When he returned from college in 1964 to become a teacher and school administrator, he was persuaded by a couple of friends to join the political game as a Republican.

He was still widely known in the community for his abilities playing basketball, which helped take his East Chicago high school team to a state title and his University of Michigan team into a Big Ten championship. But his name failed to carry him onto the County Commission.

He quickly became chairman of the East Chicago Republicans, a title he would hold four separate times between 1966 and 2003. Being a Republican in East Chicago also meant he had to work heavily with Democrats, which he admits freely today.

"See, what people don't understand is, when it's Democrat versus Democrat, it's a different fight than when it's Democrat versus Republican," Cantrell said. "I believe all the Republican chairmen and myself as city chairman fought the Democrats in November. It's just in May, there's a lot of interworking between county chairmen, Republican and Democrat."

That attitude never sat well with Republicans who ran the state party in Indianapolis. The state party chiefs also disliked the fact that Cantrell's daughter, Julie, had been elected to a county judgeship as a Democrat. Finally in 2003, Cantrell was asked to leave the party, and he did.

Now that he's officially a Democrat, the people who are supposedly close to him today treat him like he's radioactive. His successful candidates downplay his role in their campaigns, and leaders in the county and city Democratic parties denounce contact with him.

"A lot of people think many of the things he does represents the Democratic Party. (But) he's just a Democrat," Lake County Democratic Party Chairman Rudy Clay said. "I haven't heard from him, haven't seen him. I don't know what he's doing."

Meanwhile, each of the two warring factions within the county Republican Party say Cantrell is working with their opponents.

Depending on who is talking, Cantrell is either trying to re-elect current Chairman John Curley, or he is trying to undermine him and install challenger Rick Niemeyer.

"I'm going to support someone, but I haven't made up my mind," Cantrell said. "There are still some things out there that have to be straightened out."

Effective, but destructive?
There's no question his tactics have been effective in the past, observers said. When asked to describe specifics, detractors and supporters alike tend to clam up.

Observers suggestion Cantrell might put disingenuous "splitter" candidates on ballots; he might exert influence within a precinct organization or on the county election board to get his way; he might use political favors as currency to control jobs or achieve other goals.

He has testified in court and confirmed to reporters that he used his position in township government to recruit absentee voters and poll workers for the East Chicago mayoral primary of 2003.

His critics said that his win-at-all-costs approach to elections are disgusting to voters, who, incidentally, have never elected Cantrell to any office.

"The voter apathy has made it easier for him to thrive. The more people don't want to care and pay attention, the easier it is for a handful of personalities to exert their will," said Ron Tabaczynski, the former county councilman who lost an internal Democratic Party contest for county treasurer to Cantrell-backed candidate John Petalas.

His supporters said he only wants to win races, and is not afraid to use the tactics that have been handed down through the years of Lake County politics.

Alvin Cheeks, a Hammond man with family roots in the East Chicago political environment that produced Cantrell, admitted that Cantrell uses tactics that leave "dirty hands," as everyone does who wants to win races.

"Have you ever worked for a company and taken an ink pen home? Does that make you corrupt?" Cheeks said. "Bobby just wants to win. That don't make him corrupt."

04302006 - News Article - Transcript of the Bob Cantrell interview: Part II - Longtime Lake County political powerhouse sits down for Times interview - ROBERT CANTRELL



Transcript of the Bob Cantrell interview: Part II
Longtime Lake County political powerhouse sits down for Times interview
NWI Times
Apr 30, 2006
nwitimes.com/news/local/transcript-of-the-bob-cantrell-interview-part-ii/article_d6ccd00c-e243-5863-9b2b-0fc870159267.html
The following is the second of two parts of the interview of Bob Cantrell by The Times' Joe Carlson.

You haven't been able to beat Villalpando yet.
This is his first time he's ever run.

But in the state representative races.

In the rep races, we were not adversaries at the time.

[A lengthy passage has been omitted here from the transcript, because it deals with allegations Cantrell leveled against Villalpando that the Times could not verify in time for publication.]

You split with East Chicago Mayor Robert Pastrick in the 1990s. Why?

He fired me.

But why?
He fired me because my daughter (Julie Cantrell) ran (for county judge in 1996) and he wanted her out. He came to my office, and he fired me, knocked me out, and I split with him and went with Stiglich in 1999, and I think we had him beat.

Did you support Stiglich in 1995?
No, I was with Pastrick in 1995.

But in the 1999 primary--
I was 100 percent Stiglich, and I thought we had him beat. And the sheriff's office and all of them went and confiscated 1,500 absentees out of Stiglich's headquarters, with the state police and the election board. Stiglich didn't lose by 1,500. There was 3,000 absentee ballots in Stiglich's headquarters, applications, that were being put in to the process every day. And the state police and the election board went in and confiscated 1,500 absentees out of Stiglich's and the election board. And Stiglich loses the race by less than that.

Must have been a heck of a race, Pastrick's protege versus Pastrick.
It was a great race. Stigs had him beat. What happened, the people that supported Pastrick went to the sidewalk. That's what's famous about that whole deal. They went to a counter on absentees. That whole sidewalk thing was a counter to Stiglich's absentees. Unbelievable.

The word got onto the street that Stiglich had 3,000 absentees in his headquarters, and he's shooting them into the election board 100 at a time, 200 at a time. They panicked. And they went to the sidewalk.

They panicked, and they went to the Sidewalk Six program, saying, you help the mayor and I'll do your sidewalks. That was the counter to the absentees. Because Stiglich had him beat. There's no question Stiglich would have won that election. If he were alive today, and you asked him --

We're in his headquarters, and he's got 3,000 absentees sitting there. Three thousand. And he started shooting them in, and when they found out, when he got them in but before they got them all mailed out, state police and county police came in, through John Buncich, and snatched them all. Over 1,500 of them.

We're they legitimate?
Yes, of course.

It would have been illegal for him to mail them.
No, they were applications that were being sent out. You go to the election board, you put in an application, they make the ballot, they're getting ready to mail them out to the voter, and state police came in with a subpoena and a judge's injunction and took them all.

It was a very unique thing, but it generated the Sidewalk Six program, which tanked them all. If Stiglich had not done the absentees, there would have been no Sidewalk Six. Shows you how sometimes fate has it, right?

What made you go back to Pastrick in 2003?
I went back to Pastrick because Stiglich went back to Pastrick. Stiglich was the county chairman and kind of followed his lead. Stiglich had a program going. Stig really had a philosophy of going back to Pastrick every time. He would run, but he always ended up back to Pastrick. I think he ran the first time in '83 or '85, against Pastrick, all his guys then went with him ... [parts of the recording are unintelligible because of a ringing phone] .... After he made up with Pastrick, he brought them all back. And that's what Stiglich always did. After a fight with Pastrick, he would sit down and make up. And then he maneuvered, I helped him maneuver and knock Pastrick out of county chairman. Stiglich was county chairman. If you follow Rudy Clay and you follow Stiglich, county chairman is a very powerful spot.

I've heard various accounts of who you want to replace Clay, whether it's County Clerk Tom Philpot or East Chicago Mayor George Pabey.
Philpot's the guy.

Not Pabey.
No, Pabey don't want that. It's too much. The mayor's mayor, and that's full time. Pastrick always was county chairman, but he was a nonexistent county chairman. You had the Krupas, you had the Fifes, you had people that were doing his work. Pastrick never did the county chairman, he just walked along like he was county chairman. Stig was different. Stig was hands-on. This guy, this way. He did everything.

This stuff about Nancy Fromm, (the government contractor who was recently indicted and is Cantrell's friend.) You had the consulting arrangement with her, now that arrangement is cancelled.
I haven't had anything to do with her for six, eight, 10 months. Nothing.

How much did you earn from that consulting deal with her?
It depended on the contract, the yearly contract. And because it's under investigation, I'd rather not say. It's still being investigated with Nancy Fromm, so I'd rather not, under advisement of my lawyer, talk about it. I'm still under scrutiny.

Do you have other contracts like that?
No. Zero.

What do you think the feds are after?
I'd rather not go into it. I don't want to piss them off. I have my own theory, of course.

Do you have a target letter from them?
No.

Someone told me that they had direct knowledge that you had received a federal target letter.
No. No way. Zero.

Is there anything you'd like to say to the public about these investigations?
Under the advice of my lawyer, I don't want to talk about it.

Is there anything about Bob Cantrell that you want to set the record straight on?
I really think that because of the length of time I've been at this and because of the success I've had, it's very difficult to justify winning. It's just like, a lot of people love the Yankees as world champs, and a lot of people hate the Yankees because they win too often. It's the same type of scenario back to the Boston Celtics, when they won 10 world championships in a row. People hated them. God ---- let's have someone else win something.' I have this unique quality of being able to, like I said, pick a good candidate, pick a situation to win, and win with it. We've done it with McDermott. We've done it with Philpot. We've done it with my daughter. This time we've sat down and put a hell of package together, a team of us, and put a hell of a package together this time. (North Township Trustee Frank J.) Mrvan's free. (County Council candidate) Ernie Dillon's free. (Township Assessor John) Matonovich is technically free. Petalas is free, basically. This is the first time in Lake County I've ever seen there is a group working to have a smooth run countywide candidates win.
Except for the sheriff.

In the sheriff's race, you've got two very competent and very prolific and very outgoing people running. That's not normal. If Buncich had been smart -- and I'm not saying he's not smart, technically -- he'd have waited until (current sheriff Roy) Dominguez finished his term, ran in four years, and it would have been a cinch. He decided to take him on, and it might be his downfall. Dominguez might knock him off, and can he muster this much dough four years from now, because there will be some new guy come up through the ranks and wants it? And normally, they let a sheriff have eight years, whether it's Dominguez, whether it's Stiglich, whether it's Trushan in the '80s, or Pruitt. Most sheriffs got eight years. They didn't knock out the guy. Buncich has chosen to take him on. And he might beat him. But the irony is, if Buncich don't beat him, is that the end of Buncich's career? Is there some young upstart out there, after Dominguez can't run this next time? A lot of people say it's Tom O'Donnell wants it.

You talk about politics and getting together slates and people working together. There's a criticism out there that that kind of politics isn't good for civic participation in government, the politics of dirty campaigning and precinct politics that doesn't have anything to do with public service and it doesn't produce people who are interested in public service.

Right now you've seen the Democratic Party get bashed by indictments, corruption, negative stuff. But when you look at the whole overall picture, the new Democrats that have come in, Mrvan, Petalas, Philpot, they are very good candidates, and they are very clean candidates. They are resurrecting the Democratic Party. Nobody ever talks about (county Auditor) Peggy Katona, she's wonderful. ... Where before you had the old hacks, who had baggage -- the old line guys, the government has wasted, took out and gotten rid of. The Democrat Party now is stronger than ever, because they've kind of cleansed their soul. They've taken out the bad guys and they've brought in all the new upstarts. And I think that's why I think you're going to see a bigger Democratic sweep of Lake County in 2008 and the governor's race.

Of course, you're saying that the average voter bitches and moans and wants more input in who becomes a candidate, and yet 25 percent of the people vote.

Are the people disaffected because of the tactics?
They're bitching but they don't vote. If they voted, and came out, they could pick who they wanted. But they don't do that. You'll see it Tuesday more than anything else. People by nature don't care. The apathy runs high. They don't give a darn about who's in there.

Don't you think your tactics are part of the reason they're disillusioned?
You go out and pick 20 people in Highland, 20 people in Schererville, 20 people in Hobart, and ask them about me. They're going to say, who's that? The only people that know me are the politicos, and they resent that I can take a Philpot, I can take a Petalas, I can take a (North Township board member) Ralphie Flores, a Mrvan, and maneuver to win. Anybody should be able to do that.

The most unique win was McDermott. McDermott was a very unique win, because he shouldn't have won (in 2003). He shouldn't have been there. Now he'll be unstoppable. McDermott can only get stronger, he can only be more powerful. McDermott can probably write his own ticket, because he became a Democrat. His father was in limbo, and (former Hammond mayor Duane) Dedelow was in limbo. Because the Republican Party -- and I'm not putting Curley down or anything. But I'm telling you right now, the Republican Party is the most inept organization ever, that I've ever been around. In Lake County, Indiana, it's a joke. There is no Republican Party. You've a faction in Crown Point that wants to be Republicans. Hobart is shot. Hammond was coming, but Dedelow lost that. Right now, there is no Republican Party.

Are you supporting someone in the Republican county chairman race?
I'm going to support someone, but I haven't made up my mind. There are still some things out there that have to be straightened out.

The interesting situation out there is both sides say you're working against them. Both sides say that.
The irony is, you're not in the Republican Party 25, 30 years without a lot of friends. I could have reached out and grabbed a whole lot of votes just because I know these people. The bottom line is, what is this Republican fight about? Here is a governor that has done nothing to develop Lake County. Under Bowen, under Orr, under Whitcomb, we'd get through the state highway, we'd get through the license bureau, we'd get job after job after job. When I was city chairman under Whitcomb and Bowen, I couldn't find enough people from East Chicago to put on the state highway, to put on the toll road. Do you know how many jobs they get now? None. Because the governor hasn't organized it that way.

Patronage is what makes the Democratic Party strong. How many jobs in East Chicago do you think Pabey has now? How many jobs do you think McDermott has? How many jobs do you think Clay now has in Gary? And how many jobs, do you think, of active people, most of whom become precinct committeemen in the organization, that go out there and knock doors? You go out next week and take a survey about how many Democrats knock doors for their candidates who knock doors for their candidates, compared to how many Republicans knocking doors? Devastating.

The Republican Party, in my opinion, really in my opinion don't want to win. All they want to do is bitch. They don't want to win. They're not organized. They don't have a machine. They have nothing.

That doesn't sound like you're a pro-Curley guy.
I have no problem with Curley. My problem with Curley is, he's made a couple of negative statements about me without knowing me. He said, 'I don't want nothing to do with him,' That I was Chiabai's right hand guy. Even though Chiabai had his ups and downs, Chiabai was an honest guy. And now that he's died, he's a martyr. They praise him in the newspapers, how great a county chairman he was, right? There was only one county chairman in the history of Lake County that could deal with the Democratic Party, and that was Joe Kotso. No one else was at that level. Kotso was good. When Kotso went into an election, we never lost by more than 20,000 in a governor's race. What did this governor lose by here last time, in Lake County? I can tell you, 55,000. And the governor before him? He lost by 75,000 here. What does that say for the Curleys of this world? What's that say for the Republicans?

The Democratic Party's problem is, they need another (former Gov. Evan) Bayh. If they had another candidate, they could win. They need to come up with an Evan Bayh. If they come up with an Evan Bayh, they're going to beat this guy big time. They would have beat him before, but they come up with these, off-the-wall -- and then the country picks (Democratic Presidential nominee John) Kerry. Kerry should have beat the hell out of Bush, he's a bad candidate. And then the governor's race, here. They come up with a guy like, ah, I can't even remember who ran for governor, but he was bad. If the Democrats pick a good candidate for governor, they'll beat this guy now.

And you'll help the Democrats?
I'll help the Democrats. I've got nothing going with the Republicans. The Republican Party does not utilize their abilities. All they've done is a little trickery, they've done well with this voter ID business, and they've got the attorney general in here indicting people for voter fraud. Which I think is way blown out of proportion.

If you live in Hammond and you move to Gary, and you forget to re-register and you go back to Hammond to vote, they're going to try to put you in jail. Do you know how many hundreds of people do that crap? Just because they don't re-register. People aren't geared to re-register. It should be like the state of Wisconsin, where you go to vote that day and you register on the spot. 'I live here, this is my thing,' and you vote.

The Republicans would rather cry and whine and say, 'They steal, they cheat us, they do all this stuff,' and we beat them by 55,000 for governor, and we beat them for 75,000, and everyone in Indianapolis gets pissed off at Lake County because we beat the crap out of them. And we'll do it again and again and again. The Democrats here have cleansed their problems. They got all young guys, sharp guys, tough guys, good guys. What are they going to scream about now? They going to rap Mrvan? They going to rap Philpot? They going to rap these guys? No. These guys are all above board. Petalas. Peggy Katona. They don't have these problems anymore. It's all gone now.

04302006 - News Article - Transcript of the Bob Cantrell interview: Part I - Longtime Lake County political powerhouse sits down for Times interview ROBERT CANTRELL



Transcript of the Bob Cantrell interview: Part I
Longtime Lake County political powerhouse sits down for Times interview
NWI Times
Apr 30, 2006
nwitimes.com/news/local/transcript-of-the-bob-cantrell-interview-part-i/article_1632dd98-4f00-5a5c-b7a5-69e5a1ca456b.html
On Thursday, six days before the primary elections of 2006, The Times' Joe Carlson sat down with Bob Cantrell in the East Chicago branch office of North Township for a wide-ranging interview on Cantrell's life and the politics that have unfolded around him. Cantrell was candid on many topics, including why he believes the Sidewalk Six scandal happened and why he broke ties, and then reunited again, with East Chicago Mayor Robert Pastrick. Below is a transcript of the interview, which The Times agreed to publish online after Cantrell complained that the press often takes his comments out of context.

Where were you born?
I was born in East Chicago, St. Catherine's Hospital, 1941, November 19, 1941.

It was still a Republican city then, wasn't it?
No, '33. The city turned in '33. The last Republican mayor was done in 1933.

Why did it turn?
I think the Depression in '29 turned the city into a Democratic city, and plus your mills, unions, minorities. They don't vote Republican. Believe me, if anybody knows anything about the Republican-Democratic Party, and how it works -- I've been both ways. I've been with the Republican Party, instrumental all the way from Ted Sendak. I was his campaign manager. I was campaign manager with Gov. Bowen, Gov. Whitcomb, Gov. Orr. I walked the streets with Whitcomb.

Whitcomb appointed you to a board, right?
I was on the state athletic board. I had the license board for two four-year terms, the East Chicago License Bureau. That was appointed by the governor.

That's a patronage job?
At that time it was a very lucrative position. Very lucrative. The last time I got the license bureau, (then-Republican Party Chairman) Joe Kotso had four bureaus. He gave me one. He gave me East Chicago. He had Munster, Highland and Hammond. Joe Kotso had a very lucrative thing going, as county chairman. But they could never beat him. (current Hammond Mayor Tom) McDermott's father ran at him. It's a great story.

We sat down with Tom McDermott Sr., me and about six guys who had donated money. We gave him a set of poll books. He was (Hammond City Judge Joe) Allegretti's bailiff in the courts. And we said, Tom, run for mayor. You could win this thing, as a Republican.

There hadn't been a Republican mayor for quite a long time. So he decided to run. I said, the only thing I want to do is, I want to be county chairman of the Republican Party. He said, OK, I'll be mayor, you be Republican county chairman. I was going to run against Kotso.

As soon as (McDermott Sr.) won there, he declared he was running for county chairman. So he forced me back to Kotso. I was the E.C. city chairman. I was the head of a very powerful -- there was like 43 precincts, and I had 42 of them. I had the votes, I had it worked out. So I went back with Kotso and got together and then McDermott ran against Kotso, and on the floor of the convention, we booed him off the floor. McDermott Sr. went up there as mayor, and every word he said, I had 200 people boo him off the floor. Never forgave me. It was a real thing. He double-crossed me.

Then, they hire me about 10 years later, my son had finished law school, and I called over to (then-U.S. Attorney) John DeGuilio to get my son an internship with the federal prosecutor. And he did, my son. And he said, 'Dad, I met a guy there that's interning, too, who went to Notre Dame.' I said, 'Who's that?' He said, 'Tom McDermott Jr.' I said, 'No kidding. I know his father well.' So my son and McDermott interned with John DeGuilio as federal prosecutors.

Tell me about your athletic achievements
I played high school ball under the legendary John Baratto. We won the state championship, only the second time in Lake County, in 1960. I won the treasured Tressler award for athletic ability and scholastic achievement. We were very famous at the time, 1960, and I got a full scholarship to Michigan. Went to Michigan. I played with the great Cazzie Russell, won the Big Ten championship, and Cazzie went on to be a super-pro. 1964 was when I graduated, and we went to the NCAA Final Four, finished third and got beat. And I then came back here to coach basketball.

And for some reason, I got recruited into politics in '64. Friends of mine came and said, 'You gotta be a Republican and help.' And they took me over to see a guy by the name of Ted Sendak, who was the county chairman. And he was working on running for attorney general. Ted Sendak says, 'You want to join my team?' I said, 'Sure.' So he made me the Republican city chairman in 1965. And by the way, I was fired as Republican chairman four times.

And of course, being the chairman in East Chicago is a very unique situation. You have to be very astute, and very intelligent and very cunning to survive here, as anything, whether it's Republican or Democrat or anything else, because it's always a fast track.

I was chairman under Sendak. I was chairman under Chuck Colyer, I was chairman under Joe Kotso, and I was chairman under Roger Chiabai, who just passed away. And if I had stayed on the Republican side, I could be chairman under John Curley. Because as you see right now, the Republican Party here did a hell of a lot less than I used to do. They only filled 16 precincts, and probably 10 of them are still the ones who I put in eight years ago. So they're still my friends. Curley's in a fight when there's only 16 committeemen filing. Sad. Sad.

In '64, were you a Republican then?
No.

How did you end up being a Republican?
A couple friends of mine got together, and we're sitting one night in a restaurant and they said, 'Why don't we run for office.' I end up filing and running for County Commissioner on the Republican ticket. I was like 22 at the time, or 23. And Sendak was running a candidate, too, and I beat Sendak's candidate. I think my name from basketball made me fairly well-known. And I won the nomination, and I ran against a guy by the name of Stanley Olszewski, who was the county commissioner in 65. I got the nomination and I represented the Republican Party.

That's when there was a lot more people who voted. And you had Republican governors then, and you had a lot of Republicans. Lugar was the mayor of Indy, he was on his way to being senator. If I asked you how many votes you thought I got in that race in the fall against Stanley Olszewski, I don't think you or anybody else could say. How many people vote now in Lake County, in any race? Fifty-thousand, 55,000 maybe. You know what the vote was in that race in 1966, when I ran? How about 101,000 to 97,000. I got 97,000 votes, in 1966.

So your becoming a Republican was kind of an accident?
Just an accident. See, that made me Republican city chairman, and then it was off to the races. See, being a Republican chairman anywhere else but E.C. and Gary was probably not as exciting in as it was in those two cities, because you had some famous guys back then. You had John Krupa, who was the county chairman, and you had a lot of big-name guys, you had Richard Gordon Hatcher, County Commissioners J.J. Forest, Stanley Olszewski.

You're going to send me running to the archives to spell all these names
This is history at its best. I not only was there, I lived it. I saw the Hatcher crew come in. That is the most fantastic political story you could ever have. Because after Hatcher (declared his candidacy for mayor of Gary), two whites jumped into the Gary race. And Hatcher ran. And the whites split the vote and Hatcher won. And then the Republican party ran a guy in the fall, and all the Democrats joined the whites to beat Hatcher. And Hubert Humphrey and Kennedy came in and they threw out 5,000 absentee ballots out of Glen Park and Miller. They threw out 5,000. They were all what you would call now, ghost-voters. ... They end up purging them all, and they guaranteed that Hatcher won, through their fight to knock out the absentee ballots.

I guess not much changes over time.
Well, Lake County, East Chicago, Gary, have always been a very volatile, very interesting, very controversial, very high political interest cities. I've been at the center of it since 1966. Forty years. I could tell you any story you want to know. I could tell you about anybody who's been anybody. Because as a young guy coming in, you meet these guys. I have a picture at home of me and Birch Bayh, when he was U.S. Senator, at a fundraiser.

(Hammond mayor Tom) McDermott asked me the other day to teach his class. You know he teaches that class? And he put 10 names on the board, and said, 'Who do you want as your speaker?' The names were (former Sheriff John) Buncich, (County Commissioner) Fran DuPey, whoever. He said unanimously they picked me. I credit that to the Hammond Times. Because the Hammond Times has made me famous. Sometimes infamous.

How do you feel about your treatment in the media?
Terrible. I think the media is bad. I think the media is horrible. I think the media gives half-truths. I think the media wants to sell newspapers. I think they stretch the truth and they omit some of the truth and they will play on rumor. If they were doing what you're doing, sitting down and getting the facts, I could live with whatever they do.

So you don't think you've gotten a fair shake?
In my opinion, I've gotten, my daughter (county judge Julie Cantrell,) my son (defense attorney John Cantrell), we've all gotten bad press.

What do you think you do that causes this wrath?
I think that, for example, if Philpot runs for clerk, and I get a call from some other powers who say that (former Lake County Councilwoman Bernadette) "Bobbi" Costa's going to run with Fran DuPey's support, and Bobbi Costa wants to be clerk. And I say, 'Now look, ma'am, I'm with Philpot, and we're going to whip your butt.' They run at us, they can't beat us, and they say, 'You're against us.' I say, 'Oh, yeah, 100 percent. I'm against you.'

See, one thing is, I have a unique quality of picking sides. I don't mind picking sides and I will pick sides. And every race I would like to normally, if there's a reason, I would like to pick sides. I picked Philpot, and most of them went with Bobbi Costa, and we won by 13,000 votes (in the 2002 Democratic primary).

One of the criticisms I've heard is that while you can pick sides, you don't really make alliances. That you'll make an alliance with someone and that will just go away over time. Or you'll run two people against each other who you're allied with.

That's not exactly true. I've been with Philpot, solid, solid forever. We're tight. Been with McDermott. We're tight. Been with lot of people. The people that are against me, I've been against.

Fran DuPey, I've been against. Bobbi Costa, I've been against. (County Surveyor) George Van Til, I've been against. (County Treasurer John) Petalas loves me. (North Township Trustee Frank) Mrvan, I've been with Mrvan. I've been with (former North Township Trustee Greg) Cvitkovich. People I'm with, that have won, I don't think you can get them to say one bad word about me. The only people against me are the ones we beat. Seriously. I can't think of anybody else that would be against me, except the people we beat.

(Former County Democratic Party Chairman Stephen "Bob") Stiglich and I were very close, before he died. I met with Stiglich everyday. Stiglich was county chairman, I was like his right-hand guy. And I've been very close to the Pastrick administration. Very close there. Van Til and I, we rarely pick the same candidates. He's usually off on his. Like this last time, (the 2005 party appointment of Lake County Treasurer) he took (former County Councilman Ron) Tabaczynski and I took (former Merrillville councilman John) Petalas.

Van Til and I have the same role. And I'm not knocking George in any respect. George is good at what he does. He's a good politician. He's come up through the ranks. He's chosen to be an elected official, I've chosen not to be. I'd rather make my money being a superintendent of schools or an educator. There's a lot more money. Elected officials don't make any money. I made more money in the 80s, being athletic director here. I was making $85,000 bucks, and I've invested my money well. I'm not hurting.

You've got to keep act active, though. I have the strong philosophy that as you get older, you've got to be pro-active. You can't lay around the house. Do I have to work here (in the township)? No. This kind of keeps me in tune with the political scene here in East Chicago. I was born and raised here. I'm comfortable here.

Bottom line, I think the people that like me, like me because I supported their candidacies. The people that dislike me, I can't see too many out there that dislike me. I was always a (county Democratic Chairman) Rudy Clay guy, too. Rudy Clay and I have always had a good rapport. I think he's kind of out-stretched his boundaries this time by being mayor and still being on the ballot trying to win as commissioner. I think it's going to blow up on him. I don't see how he's going to win as commissioner. But that's another story.

What are your thoughts about Charlie Dahlin?
Charlie Dahlin. Well that's a name out of the past. He's was a good friend of mine. He was a politico, of course. He was very controversial. Did a lot of things. Played the Republican Party. Was kicked out of the Republican Party. Was back in the Republican Party. He did a lot of manipulating and was pro-active. He was director of Civil Defense for Hammond under the Joe Klein administration. And then he was always a survivor, and always been controversial. But he crossed Ted Sendak, and he destroyed him. He destroyed his reputation and his credibility and everyone portrays him as being the bad guy now. But yet, Charlie Dahlin was a very hard worker, he did a lot for the Republican Party. Just, he got caught up in that Nicosia-Jeorse mayor's election of 1963. Charlie Dahlin was the Republican city chairman in 1963, and he supported Jeorse. And Sendak, when it was over with, with the Republican elections here, he found cause to fire him, throw him out, and destroy him.

He was a player for decades after that.
Decades. He was like me. Been around a long time, been involved in many things. And he worked at it and filed committeemen. And was close to a lot of different Republican people, plus, Charlie had the unique quality of being close to the Democrats, too. Kind of like the person you're talking to. I was friends with Democrats, Republicans. It didn't matter, still don't matter to me. Although (current Republican Chairman John) Curley has chosen not to want my help, which is alright.

But you need that natural animosity so that, at the polls, they can police each other. So that the Republicans can make sure the Democrats don't play games.

There is no fight between Republicans and Democrats. There is no, what they call, schism? Isn't that what the word is? When you're talking about history? A schism between different political factions? There is none. The Republicans and Democrats here are technically together, in one way or the other. Whether it was Sendak, Colyer, Kotso, Chiabai, Curley. The whole county. They're all together, in one way or the other. If you had four, five hours, I could tell you how every one of them are tied, how the Democrats and Republicans are tied together. There is no --

[Cantrell's phone rings.] Hello? How you doing? Jump to Fontanez, yeah, I heard the same story. I believe it probably is. We'll probably need to reach out to him tomorrow and use this weekend to get some, yeah. I'll find out. I'll find out. I'll take care of it. I'm sitting here with one of your friends, Joe Carlson with the Hammond Times. We're doing a history of Lake County politics. Alright, I'll talk to you. Bye. [He clicks phone closed.]

My son. There's a group of Latins that jumped from Villalpando to Fontanez. I gotta track it.

[Returning to original question.] The system is set up to have the Democrats and Republicans work together in certain areas, which ties into -- and the catalyst in the whole mess is the election board. The county clerk heads the election board, and you have two R's on one end, and you've got two D's on the other, and you have five votes. Curley has the two R's, Clay has the two D's, and Philpot, the elected clerk.

See, what people don't understand is, when it's Democrat versus Democrat, it's a different fight than when it's Democrat versus Republican. I believe all the Republican chairmen and myself as city chairman fought the Democrats in November. It's just in May, there's a lot of interworking between county chairmen, Republican and Democrat.

And even our illustrious governor has come in here, and worked with Democratic groups to get support and make himself better.

The specific thing here is, Republican poll workers being able to check the Democrats, making sure the Democrats don't steal the election at the polls... Is it okay to have these non-Republicans working as quote-unquote Republicans at the polls?

Well, to me, it doesn't really matter. How you vote is, number one, if you're honest, two, you're in there -- you know, the way things are now, you'd be silly to get involved in any vote fraud. Because they're out hammering everybody. I mean, they're putting people in jail for that s--t. They indicted how many here recently? Eighteen, 20, 25 people?

They were indicted over vote fraud. Now you'd be stupid to try to steal votes, whether you're Democrat or Republican. Just because I declare myself a Democrat or a Republican, does that mean I'm going in the polls to steal? Because you got two Democrats? No way. That's the fallacy of them saying, you steal Elections are people, and people are not stupid. These people go to the polls, I don't care if you have seven Democrats at a poll, which you normally have. There's an occasional Republican here. They gotta be crazy to steal. Because everyone's going to jail. Someone's going to roll, catch them. There have been people. A committeeman in East Chicago years ago, went to jail, him and his whole crew went to jail. Now they're indicting people for voting out of their precinct. It's not worth it. Not worth going to jail, over, how many votes can you steal? Ten? Fifteen? It's ridiculous.

You can steal a lot of votes with absentee ballots.
Now, that's a different game. But you know, there's a paper trail there, too. You get tracked, messing around with absentees. Some of these people are indicted because they picked up the absentees and mailed it. Stupid. The law is very clear. It says you can't mail someone else's absentee. And that's what some of these people did. They picked up five or 10 absentees. There's one of the black committeemen in East Chicago, she got indicted on 10 counts. She picked up all her neighbor's absentees and mailed it. That's it. Is that against the law? Yes it is. Do they know it's against the law? No. Did you know you can't mail someone else's absentee, even though it's sealed and covered and everything else?

Maybe the feds can't charge you with filling out someone's ballot because they didn't see you do it, but they know you mailed it.

This has nothing to do with the feds. It's a state charge. This is all (Lake County Prosecutor) Bernie Carter and the other Carter, (state Attorney General Steve Carter). The feds don't do the vote fraud business. It's all state. And how many times in the history of Lake County has the state prosecutor ever indicted anybody on the Democratic side for vote fraud? It's very rare. This is the first time it's happened. And why is it happening? Because the attorney general came in here and they got the county prosecutor, Bernie Carter, to go along with it.

What it's operating in this environment now, with all these watchers and officials and agents running around?
It's like I told you before. People don't steal votes. People don't care. It's not that important. There's no conspiracy. In the old days, when you had the machines, it was organized and it was tough. But now, there's no machines left. You go to Gary, and -- You know what tells the whole story. Look at the percentage of people that vote. If you were stealing votes and it was organized, you had a machine, you'd get a hell of a lot more than 22 percent of people to vote. If they were voting 65 or 70 percent, you'd say, hey man, that's an awful high vote. Something is going on over there. But when they only put up 25 percent, no one's stealing votes. Come on, it's ridiculous. You don't do it. But you don't sell newspapers if there's no vote fraud.

And the Republican Party in Indiana has become very shrewd. This voter ID business, that's definitely hit the minority Democrats, who will go to the polls here next Tuesday and walk into there without an ID and they'll say, 'You can't vote here without an ID.' 'What do you mean? I've been voting all my life, I've lived here all my life.' 'Where's your ID?' 'I don't have a driver's license, I don't have a state ID.' Then they get you on a provisional. That says you can sign in and vote, but then you have to go prove who you are. How many people in East Chicago are going to vote provisional? 100? 200? 300? How many of that 300 are going to go to Crown Point and prove who they are? You know probably how many? None. All of a sudden the Republican Party has knocked out 300 Democrat votes that would have been solid here.

But if the Republican Party does that, and if the Democrat Party is smart, they'll organize and they'll ID the people that need IDs and they'll get them IDs. It hasn't been done yet, but who cares with this. But this next year, this mayor's race, in Hammond and Gary, the Democrats will come up with a solution for the ID problem. It's to their advantage to get organized.

One thing about politics and about winning, it's just like playing basketball. If you're organized, you're well-coached, you're well-disciplined, you win. In politics, to run a campaign, you pick the right race, you pick the right candidate, you raise enough money, you get enough people helping you in different cities, in every city in the county, it's probably a win.

Saturday, April 22, 2006

04222006 - News Article - QUESTION: How much political influence should Robert Cantrell wield in Lake County? - ROBERT CANTRELL



QUESTION: How much political influence should Robert Cantrell wield in Lake County?
NWI Times
Apr 22, 2006
nwitimes.com/news/opinion/question-how-much-political-influence-should-robert-cantrell-wield-in/article_4858bc74-efc7-5f70-b1ce-9c1f1a888878.html
RESPONSE
None.

It is time candidates and elected officials realize the practices of the past will no longer be tolerated by the voters. We want reform and ethics in government. We will no longer accept the maneuvers of so-called political operatives or kingpins (a title bestowed by the news media).

When we hear a candidate is supported by this individual, it only serves to let us know who not to vote for. Their hold must be severed.
Verlie Harris, East Chicago

Saturday, April 15, 2006

04152006 - News Article - QUESTION: How much political influence should Robert Cantrell wield in Lake County? - ROBERT CANTRELL



QUESTION: How much political influence should Robert Cantrell wield in Lake County?
NWI Times
Apr 15, 2006
nwitimes.com/news/opinion/question-how-much-political-influence-should-robert-cantrell-wield-in/article_ad2f162f-3f9b-5796-ab18-da303ac98dc6.html
RESPONSE
None. He and his ilk have sucked all they have from East Chicago already. Why give these wild dogs more?

Remember, this is how they put their bread on the table, and that's why they float around from job to job in the Lake County government!


But they really have nothing to worry about because the people don't care. As long as they get their own bite, they allow the political creeps to do what they want here in Lake County. So the blame falls on everyone in the county except me.
Roger Borroel, East Chicago

Friday, April 14, 2006

04142006 - News Article - Public officials get help at sentencings - Politicians doing battle in court rely increasingly on letter-writing support



Public officials get help at sentencings 
Politicians doing battle in court rely increasingly on letter-writing support
Post-Tribune (IN)
April 14, 2006
Who knows if the volume of mail swayed the sentencing judge, but former North Township Trustee Greg Cvitkovich apparently pulled off one of the largest letter-writing campaigns in recent federal corruption trial history. 

Family and friends submitted 92 letters on Cvitkovich's behalf before he was sentenced Wednesday to five months in prison. He already had been forced to step down as township trustee in October, part of a plea agreement in which the U.S. Attorney agreed to drop one of two federal tax fraud charges. It didn't stop 27 former employees from submitting letters. 

Until Cvitkovich, former state Democratic Party Chairman Peter Manous may have set the standard for personal pleas. When he was sentenced on federal corruption charges in November 2004, his lawyers produced 66 pages of testimonials. The list included some of Lake County's political luminaries, such as Sheriff Roy Dominguez, Hobart Mayor Linda Buzinec and Lake Area United Way Executive Director Lou Martinez. 

They testified to his character and sat in the audience while the judge rendered his verdict. 

The biggest luminary in Cvitkovich's stack is Peter Auskel, a member of the township board. 

The list was vast and the messages often impassioned. Several letters go on for a page, telling of Cvitkovich's desire to help people in need as trustee. 

The most notorious name in the pile was Robert "Bobby" Cantrell. By Cantrell's own admission, Cvitkovich's downfall could have been caused, at least in part, by the additional federal scrutiny brought on the North Township trustee's office, when the trustee hired Cantrell. 

Federal agents have been investigating Cantrell, a legendary political fixer, for years, including his role at North Township, where he remains an office manager. 

Though Cantrell's presence may have put Cvitkovich out on a political limb, his letter is a breezy two paragraphs, in which he described the trustee as "a very likeable man with a friendly personality. He gets along well with all races of people, and I have never known him to do anything dishonest." 

Thursday, April 13, 2006

04132006 - News Article - Ex-township trustee nets light sentence - Cvitkovich gets 5 months in prison, fines, home detention for tax fraud



Ex-township trustee nets light sentence 
Cvitkovich gets 5 months in prison, fines, home detention for tax fraud
Post-Tribune (IN)
April 13, 2006
U.S. District Judge Rudy Lozano sentenced former North Township Trustee Greg Cvitkovich on Wednesday to five months in prison under the minimum sentencing guidelines for his federal corruption conviction. 

Cvitkovich must also pay $22,160 restitution to the Internal Revenue Service and a $2,000 fine, in addition to his prison time followed by five months of home detention and a year of supervised release. 

Before a packed courtroom, Cvitkovich explained how sorry he was for filing hundreds of thousands of dollars in false business deductions in the mid 1990s. 

"I'd like to offer my apology to the poor, to you and to the U.S. judicial system," Cvitkovich said, speaking to Lozano and his room full of supporters. 

While Cvitkovich resigned from his trustee position when he pleaded guilty to the corruption charges in October, Lozano held up a stack of 92 letters from residents and officials who wrote to the court on Cvitkovich's behalf. 

Cvitkovich faced a maximum of three years in prison as a result of the plea agreement, but his cooperation with federal investigators was considered when determining his lighter sentence. 

Cvitkovich's attorney William Padula requested that his client receive a sentencing below the guidelines, but Lozano decided to stick with the minimum amount agreed upon in the plea agreement because of the severity of his crime. 

"What you have done is stupid, there's no doubt about that," Lozano said. 

Cvitkovich was involved in an arrangement during his tenure as trustee where he would accept money in exchange for East Chicago contracts, said Assistant U.S. Attorney Tom Kirsch. Danny McArdle won an exclusive contract with East Chicago and paid Cvitkovich's corporation hundreds of thousands of dollars as a result, Kirsch said. Cvitkovich then paid $135,000 of that money to his friend James Fife, top aide to former Mayor Robert Pastrick , who covered up the illegal contracts. 

The money transfers were disguised as office expenses on corporate income tax filings, according to court documents. Fife was sentenced two weeks ago to 46 months in prison, and he appealed his sentence Tuesday. 

Kirsch told Lozano that while tax fraud is a serious offense, Cvitkovich was still able to perform his duties as trustee while he was in office. 

"Although Mr. Cvitkovich was an elected official at the time of the offense, there is no evidence he abused his office," Kirsch said. 

He is scheduled to start his prison term May 17.